Stephen Urgo's Blog

Stephen Urgo's thoughts and ruminations Flag as Inappropriate

Note Article
Just a short thought to get the word out quickly about anything in your neighborhood.
Share something with your neighbors. What's on your mind? What's on your mind? Make an announcement, speak your mind, or sell something
Posts awaiting your approval 0
Republican David Jolly. Democrat Alex Sink. Libertarian Lucas Overby.
Charlie Holzler February 15, 2014 at 07:56 am
And carpetbagger Alex Sink will advocate for Pinellas County? Yea right, the only one she will beRead More advocating for is Nancy Pelosi ... don't we already have too many of these 'we have to pass the bill to see what is in it' in Congress?
Dharma February 15, 2014 at 12:52 pm
David Jolly is proving himself a well dressed cave man. Back to the Future is just a movie. ForwardRead More thinking leaders are desperately needed.
Dennis Raymond August 27, 2013 at 08:43 pm
What makes anyone think that repeating the process will result in a design that pleases everyone andRead More will come in under budget. Let the games begin.
Dennis Raymond August 28, 2013 at 06:51 am
The pathetic Robb De continues to post using my name. Too cowardly to post using his real name.Read More Perhaps we should meet, man to man, to talk this out if you have the time to come out of your mom's basement.
Dennis Raymond August 28, 2013 at 10:06 am
Thank to the editor or Robb De for removing the posts that Robb made using my name. Robb, the offerRead More still stands for a face to face conversation.
Stephen Urgo August 23, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Shelle, there will be a wheelchair accessible tram that will make stops at the Welcome Mat, theRead More Marina, and the Promontory at the end of pier. The Welcome Mat will have a large turnaround to drop off visitors. The entire new pier will be wheelchair accessible complying with latest ADA codes.
Weston Willingham August 23, 2013 at 06:22 pm
You fish where the fish are! They'll be every where! Build it!
Bill H. August 23, 2013 at 10:14 pm
Hmmmmm, want to fish? Go to the current pier. You can fish all day.
arthur finegold July 14, 2013 at 09:29 am
Bill, thanks for being open about your preference. I'm big on the lens but could live with aRead More refurbished pier. Not a great solution in my mind but I'd go there. But is it feasible? I believe it will cost more. More importantly, can it happen anytime soon? There are different camps in the opposition. If the contract is broken, then the opposition will fracture. here are some contigents. 1) Those who would refurbish. 2) environmentalists who would prefer no pier3) social activists who resent spending that isn't on our neighbors in need, 4) fiscal hawks who don't approve of public spending 5) entrepreneurial fans who want a developer to come in and build a over water out of place amusement park. 6) those who want to build something new that isn't the Lens. With all those competing agendas, I don't see how anything could happen for ages which means no pier. The Lens is a great solution and maybe our only chance to have a pier in the foreseeable future.
Johann August 21, 2013 at 10:54 pm
More re-hashed trash. Talk about a sore loser, Mr. Urgo is defining the term.
Dennis Raymond August 22, 2013 at 08:52 am
Thanks Stephen for your thoughtful and well researched blog. Your measured responses to theRead More uninformed, sometimes personal, comments posted here is admirable. Keep up the good work.
CJ August 30, 2013 at 09:56 pm
Keep the whereabouts of this Beer Summit posted. That sounds like an interesting idea.
CJ August 31, 2013 at 11:38 am
I had another thought on this. I have been guilty of making candid replies to Robb De....but only onRead More comments where he used bad language. I did not meant to sound as if I was supporting him, I was just making a lame attempt at humor. I don't feel ''real bad'' about it...but, in all fairness, have no problem admitting that it may have been a mistake in this case. This is just a blog...so I limit how serious I take ''anything'' here. I would like to apologize for any perceived support I may have had for Robb De, because once I now reflect on the level of anger Robb De escalated to (or Dennis? Hmmm?)...I now feel my comments may have contributed to egging him (Robb De) on. The fact he shared my feeling on a YES vote...that by no means I should have so easily supported his vile comments. I suppose with my newness to this city, I am sometime over zealous in my attempts to ''belong''. It is true that I may have been doing that, but I never expected to hear ''death threats'' or whatever. What I have learned from this is to not be so quick to rally beside ''anyone'' who steps over The Patch Terms of Service to the degree that Robb De did. I found it very disturbing to read how violent the discussions here turned...but I also am not ''totally'' convinced that Robb De is the only one guilty of it. Sorry, Dennis...but it is the truth. I don't like people to think I am not wise enough to see the truth, and there certainly has not been enough proof that Dennis is not more guilty than he has claimed. I don't care if this is now beating a dead horse or not, or if someone thinks it should be dropped...but the fact remains...there has yet to be a completely convincing argument that Robb De ever posed as anyone besides himself. It obviously still seems as if there is a possibility that Dennis is just playing everyone here and he thinks all of us are going to buy it. I was not born yesterday and in my lifetime I have seen what lengths people can turn to with efforts to trick people. I have given Dennis the ''benefit of the doubt'' on this...but at the same time that unfortunately means there remains a ''shadow of doubt'' as well. I'm jus' sayin'... I don't know how anyone could post a reply using someone else's name unless they were using the same person's computer. Registration processes usually are able to recognize the computer. Our names are ''registered'' with The Patch....and I don't think the registration process allows name duplication. It should not matter if you use a home computer or a phone...a commenter here should only have one identity on Patch blogs. I am not sure, but it would not surprise me if posting under two different names is not allowed. FYI...When Robb De posted a couple of his comments...I anticipated them getting deleted. As it turned out, some of them surprisingly remained longer than I thought possible on a Patch article. I have not seen that happen before. that said...sometimes I also post things I think may get deleted. In order to ''cover my back''...I often make a copy and paste of some of my comments and of other people...then I save it in a Word Document. That way I preserve proof of what I said. I ''document it''. I use this same tactic in business, and it is very useful. I have some of the deleted Robb De AND Dennis Raymond comments saved, so there is no way anyone can tell me I did not read what I claim. Again, this is just some FYI. I have found that copy and pasting things can come in handy later.
DRaymond August 31, 2013 at 12:03 pm
CJ. For the last time. I have not and would not post comments inciting violence or use the type ofRead More crude language that Robb De posted using my name. End of story.
Dennis Raymond August 22, 2013 at 11:21 pm
Bill, The retraction about AC on the promontory was made because the restaurant owner decided thatRead More an open air restaurant made more sense. The option for AC is still open. Calling that a lie is ridiculous.
Rob August 22, 2013 at 11:33 pm
Dennis Raymond - Nope, the Times blew it! Air conditioning was never a part of the Lens until justRead More recently when the City said if the cafe owner wants to do it.If you remember, we only had a Gelato Stand then the residents raised cane. Now we have an outdoor cafe. If it wasnt for the residents balking, the city would have been satisfied with Maltzan's art research project! Dont forget, the Lens design added kickers because of the information found in the Lens computer simulation - so says the City.
Rob August 22, 2013 at 11:35 pm
Even still, air conditioning and moveable walls or misters are all a pipe dream until the city getsRead More a proposal. THen we can add that to the subsidy! The Times just blew it...
Stephen Urgo August 17, 2013 at 03:14 pm
Well said Hal. A stoppers win is everybody's loss.
Marc Shumaker December 5, 2013 at 05:42 pm
"St. Petersburg's wide sidewalks, downtown shops, and waterfront parks make it one of the mostRead More pedestrian friendly cities in the country." Actually, Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater is the second most dangerous metro area in the country for pedestrians. Right behind Orlando and just ahead of Jacksonville and Miami, according to Transportation for America.
Stephen Urgo December 5, 2013 at 08:14 pm
Ah well, I was speaking of sites, sounds, and access. And also just making a personal observationRead More – shared by others including making number five in this list: http://goflorida.about.com/od/attractions/tp/city_walktours.htm
Johann August 8, 2013 at 07:30 pm
Hal, I'm starting a "Save the Pier" petition, just for you. I will hire the same petitionRead More collecting company used in this drive. I'm even going to tell them to lie about everything, just as you claim that these collectors did. I'll have them tell you the renovation will be free, there will be free food, free beer, free parking, etc. Will you sign the petition when they approach you?? No? I didn't think so. Dumbest. Fake. Argument. Ever.
Dennis Raymond August 8, 2013 at 10:54 pm
Johann, Must you keep repeating yourself? How about a detailed proposal of what a new pier wouldRead More look like that would please everyone? Leave out the generalities and be specific, costs, design, construction timetable. Some architectural renderings of your plan would be needed too.
DeRusha August 9, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Dennis , The sad part about what You are asking Johann to produce is , Not even $4 million dollarsRead More invested into the undeniable mistake of a project that You support has accomplished what you just posted as a request. We do have a good majority of what your asking for in the Ken Kroger design. The only thing that is not there, is something "EVERYONE" can agree on.
CJ August 8, 2013 at 11:49 pm
It sounds like somebody got a room with McCracken, after the NO vote ''crack''. By now, few areRead More falling for that joke. I won't say ''Vote YES to Stop The Lens''...oh...I just did...because there are still 20 days or so until the vote. I like an honest vote....so I would instead encourage everyone to think this all over. I personally don't find it an easy decision. A person can read just about any pro or con on that exists on both sides of this issue right here in this thread by Steven. I am probably still leaning to where I started, though. I am not comfortable saying I am out to ''Stop The Lens''...I prefer to look at it as I am wanting to see what a YES vote can offer us instead. I like both The Lens and The Pier...what I don't like is The Lens being built at the cost of The Pier's demolition. I could be on board ''possibly'' with ''some'' other choice...but don't think I want it to be The Lens. I admit I could change my mind. Not because I hate The Pier, but I might decide I'd like to see this move forward. I would miss The Pier, but I also am sure I will enjoy The Lens if it is built. I believe that if you vote for a cause that loses, then it is better citizenship to then support the winning side. I have also tried that with Obama, and it is not going well with me.
Bill H. August 10, 2013 at 05:35 pm
Stephen, You may just be right about the food truck space. I don't really see it happening, butRead More there may be just enough space.
Stephen Urgo August 10, 2013 at 07:20 pm
Bill, I appreciate that.
Stephen Urgo June 23, 2013 at 08:29 pm
Shore Acres Rick, an old Navy guy, I love Navy ships and always interested in military museums. ARead More few years ago a group in Tampa was trying to get a decommissioned aircraft carrier (I forgot which one) brought to the Channelside area. Unfortunately, the efforts failed. Personally, I'm not sure it's such a good idea for large ships on the waterfront near or at the pier. The Channelside area in Tampa is far more commercial than our waterfront. Anyway, I hope we don't have to start from scratch. I don't want to wait years to see a new pier. I'm hopeful that we will build the one already being designed and scheduled to open in 2 years.
CJ June 23, 2013 at 09:29 pm
Yes...I knew most of what you said. It may somewhat come down to whether they are wiling to eat theRead More money they have already put into The Lens. That is a considerable sum to eat. Plus the breech of contract issue will only grow. The designers, etc, "are not" just going to roll over and say ''no hard feelings''. It's not going to happen. My guess is that the City is just "snowing" us and pretending to be more fair about it all. Hence, the vote this Fall. But in the end...like it seemingly always does...the city will have it's way...right or wrong...with or without the approval of the majority of the citizens...and then somehow manage to simply proceed with The Lens "as presently planned" and "contracted" already. Key word: contracted. One of the biggest problems all along is they chose to do this project at a time when money is obviously still tight due to the economy., and they are trying to build an ''economy world class'' attraction. Is there such a thing? The 60 million, or whatever it is they want to spend, is like trying to build a world class NFL stadium nice enough to host the Super Bowl out of Circus Tents. The Lens is "OK", but that is about all it is. There have been quite a few "extremely" valid points why The Lens is not the answer. I don't need to list them. It won't happen...but spending about twice as much as the 60 million ''is'' the answer. "Then" (oh yeah) the paid Architects could design something much easier to appeal to more people. Duh. You get what you pay for. If St Pete wants a world class attraction...like The Pier was in it's day...then they need to spend world class money. I am not sure, but I think 60 million is chump change. This may be the biggest problem...and if we are now talking about eating the money already spent...then we are already in a big hole with nothing to show for it. This is why I think somehow, someway...The Lens is going to be built, and the cities officials are beside themselves smirking about how the citizens are fooled they care. I don't like it...but I did not like seeing The Pier close, either. We see how that turned out.
DRaymond July 12, 2013 at 11:14 am
Stephen, Thanks for your informative posts and your grace and patience in dealing with theRead More "just say no" crowd and the tin foil hat conspiracy theory types.
See more »