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Jack Sprat July 12, 2014 at 03:12 PM
My goodness, Mr. Urgo, the best you can do is cite an article written in 2012 that uses someRead Moregeneral statistics to illustrate a point: that HART ridership is up for a variety of reasons but August is a soft month so it may go down...............Let's look at the latest APTA data collected from transit systems all over the country:............... The American Public Transportation Association (APTA) argues that a 0.7 percent increase in annual transit ridership in 2013 is proof that Americans want more “investments” in transit – by which the group means more federal funding. However, a close look at the actual data reveals something entirely different................. It turns out that ALL of the increase in transit ridership took place in New York City. New York City subway and bus ridership grew by 120 million trips in 2013; nationally, transit ridership grew by just 115 million trips. Add in New York commuter trains (Long Island Railroad and Metro North) and New York City transit ridership grew by 123 million trips, which means transit in the rest of the nation declined by 8 million trips. As the New York Times observes, the growth in New York City transit ridership resulted from “falling unemployment,” not major capital improvements............ Meanwhile, light-rail and bus ridership both declined in Portland, which is often considered the model for new transit investments. Light-rail ridership grew in Dallas by about 300,000 trips, but bus ridership declined by 1.7 million trips. Charlotte light rail gained 27,000 new rides in 2013, but Charlotte buses lost 476,000 rides. Declines in bus ridership offset part or all of the gains in rail ridership in Chicago, Denver, Salt Lake City, and other cities. Rail ridership declined in Albuquerque, Baltimore, Minneapolis, Sacramento, and on the San Francisco BART system, among other places................
Jack Sprat July 12, 2014 at 03:12 PM
You still have not answered the question: ................ the $148 million/year sales tax is notRead Moreen ough to pay for the train. PSTA is assuming they will receive $1.2 BILLION (50% of the cost) from state and federal grants to build the train. This money is NOT guaranteed; the assumption is based on prior grants and there is no assurance of future grants........................... Not one PSTA official or Greenlight supporter, including you, Mr. Urgo, has actually answered one simple question: ..... What if we pass Greenlight and the (assumed) state and federal grants are not funded? ........................ Will the BOCC raise the sales tax another 1% to fund the shortfall? Re-institute the property tax? Borrow another $1.2 BILLION?................... All the facts are carefully hidden on the Greenlight site: http://www.psta.net/PDF/Greenlight%20Pinellas%20Preliminary%20Financial%20Feasibility%20Analysis.pdf.................
phyllis dodge July 12, 2014 at 04:22 PM
very good point thank you.
Jack Sprat May 22, 2014 at 10:23 AM
Greenlight is strictly about money - taking money from us and giving it to realtors, developers,Read Morecon tractors and eventually, politicians. ---------------- 1. Greenlight is a $2.8 BILLION plan that requires a massive tax on the people of Pinellas County. The local tax revenue to PSTA will jump from $34 million/year (property tax) to $148 million/year (sales tax) if Greenlight is approved. ---------------------- 2. The light rail/streetcar from St. Pete to Clearwater will cost $2.5 BILLION (90%) and is expected to have 9,000 daily riders in 2035, ten years after completion, less than 1% of the projected population. ------------------ 3. $300 million (10%) will be used to improve bus service by 65%. The current bus system serves about 20,000 riders daily. A 65% expansion should add about 13,000 riders. -------------- 4. PSTA is BLACKMAILING voters by threatening to cut bus service 30% if Greenlight does not pass. PSTA desperately wants to spend $2.5 BILLION for a streetcar that will add only 9,000 riders, TEN YEARS after completion. -------------- 5. The average fare on PSTA is 91 cents. PSTA could pay for the $300 million, 65% bus improvement without raising taxes. All they have to do is raise the average fare to $1.40-$1.50 for those riders who do not qualify for discounts. ------------------- 6. The increase of $114 million/year tax will be paid by those who do not own property. Property owners will pay about the same sales tax as they are now paying as property tax, which PSTA says will be eliminated. Maybe. -------------------- 7. Wealthy property owners will actually pay LESS tax and non-property owners will pay MORE tax (the increase of $114 million). ----------------- Commissioner Susan Latvala explains that here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ykd2vtjys8 (start at 6:45). --------------- 8. All the facts are here, on the Greenlight site: http://www.psta.net/PDF/Greenlight%20Pinellas%20Preliminary%20Financial%20Feasibility%20Analysis.pdf --------------------
Jack Sprat May 09, 2014 at 09:52 AM
Mr. Urgo further confuses the issue by re-posting this same sales pitch on MayRead More4: http://largo.patch .com/groups/stephen-urgos-blog/p/greenlight-pinellas-is-cool-and-its-what-the-earth-needs9142533671 He says he made a mistake - that may be true. The result is that it splits the discussions into two separate reader groups. The good news is that not very many people buy the "free lunch" theory that he says we will get if only we vote for Greenlight.
Jack Sprat May 09, 2014 at 09:57 AM
Mr. Urgo further confuses the issue by re-posting this same sales pitch on MayRead More3: http://stpete.patc h.com/groups/stephen-urgos-blog/p/greenlight-pinellas-its-the-way-to-go_e456c1db?ncid=newsltuspatc00000010 He says he made a mistake - that may be true. The result is that it splits the discussions into two separate reader groups. The good news is that not very many people buy the "free lunch" theory that he says we will get if only we vote for Greenlight.
Jack Sprat May 22, 2014 at 10:29 AM
Greenlight is strictly about money - taking money from us and giving it to realtors, developers,Read Morecon tractors and eventually, politicians. ---------------- 1. Greenlight is a $2.8 BILLION plan that requires a massive tax on the people of Pinellas County. The local tax revenue to PSTA will jump from $34 million/year (property tax) to $148 million/year (sales tax) if Greenlight is approved. ---------------------- 2. The light rail/streetcar from St. Pete to Clearwater will cost $2.5 BILLION (90%) and is expected to have 9,000 daily riders in 2035, ten years after completion, less than 1% of the projected population. ------------------ 3. $300 million (10%) will be used to improve bus service by 65%. The current bus system serves about 20,000 riders daily. A 65% expansion should add about 13,000 riders. -------------- 4. PSTA is BLACKMAILING voters by threatening to cut bus service 30% if Greenlight does not pass. PSTA desperately wants to spend $2.5 BILLION for a streetcar that will add only 9,000 riders, TEN YEARS after completion. -------------- 5. The average fare on PSTA is 91 cents. PSTA could pay for the $300 million, 65% bus improvement without raising taxes. All they have to do is raise the average fare to $1.40-$1.50 for those riders who do not qualify for discounts. ------------------- 6. The increase of $114 million/year tax will be paid by those who do not own property. Property owners will pay about the same sales tax as they are now paying as property tax, which PSTA says will be eliminated. Maybe. -------------------- 7. Wealthy property owners will actually pay LESS tax and non-property owners will pay MORE tax (the increase of $114 million). ----------------- Commissioner Susan Latvala explains that here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ykd2vtjys8 (start at 6:45). --------------- 8. All the facts are here, on the Greenlight site: http://www.psta.net/PDF/Greenlight%20Pinellas%20Preliminary%20Financial%20Feasibility%20Analysis.pdf --------------------
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